Freedom of Religion and Abortion: Drawing the Line

As I watch the firestorm on Facebook and other social media over the overturning of Roe vs Wade, I can’t help but think, “Wait! There is so much more to this discussion than just ‘My body, my choice!'”.

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But it’s a very tough topic to discuss because most people have very strong and emotionally-charged opinions on the subject. I am not trying to change anyone’s mind. I simply want people to understand that it’s not as black and white as you might think. My pro-life friends might be upset with some of my thoughts, as well as my pro-choice friends. I guess by the end of this you might say that I am ‘pro-choice’, but only as far as the statement that the choice should not be left up to the state. I am against abortion, but I don’t think making laws about it is wise. Here are my reasons. I do not trust the state.

Key point: I am against abortion. I am for bodily autonomy. This is not a feminist issue, it’s a freedom issue. I believe that we must be careful about making laws about other people’s bodies without considering certain important details.

Not everyone in America believes in God. Using religious arguments to make abortion illegal is dangerous in a country that was built on personal responsibility. We must protect religious freedom.

The church can do a lot more to help protect girls from GETTING pregnant in the first place.


If we give the government the right to DENY abortion, we also give them the right to REQUIRE abortion. Think about that one.


We live in an age where global health laws are being pushed. These people also believe that there are too many people in the world. Think about the possible consequences of these types of laws.

Interestingly, abortion rates have been trending downward as access to birth control improves. This makes me think this whole thing is mostly being used to make the left angry during an election year.

Most of the people I see on Facebook so upset over this new ruling don’t necessarily plan to have an abortion. They haven’t thought much about the causes of unwanted pregnancies and are simply repeating the left’s talking points. Many of them are older women and others are college girls who are already using birth control. They sometimes claim to be fighting to protect poor women who can’t afford a baby, but many are actually fighting for women’s right to sexual freedom, which is very handy for the men who also want women to have that right.

There are so many thoughts in my head about this. I can’t get them lined up orderly, so here’s a list.

  1. Roe V Wade was a bad law and should be overturned. The young woman, Norman McCorvey, who was used as a tool of politics in that legal case actually gave birth to her baby and she is against abortion.
  2. High school and college aged girls get the most abortions. What can we do to PREVENT these pregnancies and why are there so many? Who are these girls and who is getting them pregnant? Are they being raped, sold into prostitution, incest cases, unable to get birth control, uneducated on how their bodies work, under control of extremist religious groups such as the FLDS?
  3. Who benefits most from eliminating unwanted pregnancies? Mostly men who are let off the hook for child support and marriage.
  4. Who benefits financially from abortion? Clinics, doctors, sellers of body parts to research and other evil uses.
  5. Should the government control access to abortion? What about other bodily procedures? Vaccines, prescription drugs (Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, pain medicine).
  6. Do we really want to give anyone (besides ourselves and God) that much power over our lives?
  7. Why is this law being overturned now? Is this just political maneuvering? Do they actually want to help babies and pregnant women? What will be the consequences of this law? Hopefully it will encourage women to find ways not to get pregnant.
  8. If 22 states outlaw all abortions, will they improve sex and health education and increase access to real birth control?
  9. WHY are birth control pills only available by prescription?! Make them an over the counter medicine if you want to prevent the need for abortions.
  10. Abortion is neither birth control nor reproductive health care. It is a way to solve a problem created by not having or using birth control or women’s health care.
  11. IUDs and Depo and the pill are highly effective at preventing pregnancy when used correctly, but a condom is even more effective and abstinence works 100% of the time .
  12. Many young girls do not know they can get pregnant the first time they have sex.
  13. Teenagers have raging hormones. They need to be given information about morals as well as be told very clearly what happens, BEFORE they are sexually active.
  14. Boys need information, too! Especially boys. Teach them to treat women with respect!
  15. Despite the media depiction of ‘proud abortion activists’, most women I know who have had abortions feel deep regret, shame, and sadness over it. Many were young and were pressured by parents to do it. A few were older and their situation made them think that having a baby was simply not an option. They did what they thought was necessary at the time. They aren’t proud. They got it done as early as they could.
  16. Late term abortions should be illegal. No living baby should be chopped up and removed piece by piece. “Doctors” that do this should be arrested.
  17. Once there’s a detectable heartbeat, the mother should be assisted in every possible way to be supported through the rest of the pregnancy. We need to make it so that no late term abortions are needed or wanted. That means making sure that the mother gets an ultrasound and understands her baby is alive and feels pain and what will be done to kill it.
  18. But making up the rules for when a woman can get an abortion is not the point of this article. My point is we can make the need for abortions a very rare thing.
  19. We do not live in a Christian nation. There is no such thing. Either you ARE a Christian or you aren’t. If you are, then live accordingly! Don’t make immoral choices and don’t have an abortion.
  20. In the end, abortion is a sin. God offers forgiveness of sins to those who repent and ask for salvation.
  21. Those who don’t fear God will be judged on ALL of their sins. Those who have been forgiven, are forgiven of ALL of their sins, even abortion. But the Bible says, don’t keep on sinning just because you are forgiven!

Lastly, remember the book series I wrote about, Unwind? In this story, abortion is outlawed and many bad things result from the new law. It’s just fiction, but it’s good to think about possible consequences. And of course, The Handmaid’s Tale is already being posted on Facebook as a possible result of this overturning. I don’t see that happening, but the general acceptance of the government making laws about our private lives is not a good thing.

Legislating thoughts, morals, and beliefs is not the role of government. Democrats and Republicans both claim to want to protect freedom and ‘democracy’. But which freedom and what do they mean by democracy? Both seem much too willing to make laws to control behavior rather than let people actually have freedom to live according to their consciences.

In summary, I don’t trust the government or the Supreme Court or state lawmakers with this issue. States must preserve freedom of religion. Churches, parents, schools, and individuals need to help prevent unwanted pregnancies. Teach children right from wrong! Adults must model the right behavior. Girls and boys need information and access to birth control. Women need to take responsibility for their choices. Men need to do the right thing towards women by not raping, abusing, or getting them pregnant outside of marriage. What about the murder of the unborn? It is a result of the neglect of all of the above.

Finally, never forget that God offers forgiveness through his son Jesus Christ for the sin of abortion. Jesus loves you and He can help you with your unplanned pregnancy and all of your problems no matter what mess you have gotten yourself into or if you are the victim of someone else’s sin. Call a pregnancy center near you if you are in trouble. There is hope!

See the links below to get help if you are pregnant in Texas.

https://texaspregnancy.org/provider-locator


https://texaspregnancy.org/personal-stories/personal-stories-alt/

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48 comments

  1. Good morning Paula! You do a great job articulating the complexity of these issues. My heart is grieved whenever I hear about the details of what happens to unborn babies, especially once the baby is developed enough to feel pain. Crazy times. Glad I know the one who is in ultimate control of it all. Take care! DM

      • FYI, WordPress is acting up, I had a heck of a time trying to leave a comment on your post. would not allow me to, when I had the whole post opened up, only when I could see the summary . Not sure what a person could do about it..I tried multiple things before I figured it out..other people may have the same problem, in case you don’t get too many comments. DM

      • Thanks for persevering and for telling me. I need to check my comment section in the dashboard because I have noticed fewer comments this week.

      • Am now following you pkadams. You write and repeat: ” I do not trust the state. ”

        Which governing body does this statement refer to: Federal, State, or local?

        ” I am against abortion. I am for bodily autonomy. ” Defined as a “freedom issue”. This too requires qualification. Do you approve of States Right to regulate intra-State commerce, abortion exists as a bought and paid for commodity – just as buying a pair of shoes or a dress in a store. Abortion exists as a service industry.

        So does the term “freedom” support the restoration of States Rights and the dismantlement of the bloated Federal bureaucracy; together with the demand that the Federal Government drasticly reduce its horrid corruption and Big Brother size and reduce the Federal Debt till zero debt owed by the American People – our as yet unborn or future born generations?

        OR

        Does “Freedom” consider only the present living generations today?

        ” Not everyone in America believes in God. ” Consider myself as an atheist praise God. The meaning of this contradiction metaphor, personally reject all belief systems in any Deity wherein the opening word of those belief systems begins with the Ego I. Pro/Con Abortion quite often begins with the Ego I inserted throughout passionate arguments. Who am I, to assert my Ego upon others. My beliefs in this or that Deity or any lessor smaller argument, abortion for example, does not depend upon what Ego I believes one way or the other. The Deities they do not exist or cease to exist because of my Ego I.

        Gravity functions regardless of my personal Ego I on that subject.

        ” We must protect religious freedom. ” People who want to negate any of the Bill of Rights qualify as traitors of the United States. America: love it or leave it. Jefferson would not support the Written Constitution without the Bill of Rights Amendments. Attempts by Ego I fanatics to modify the 2nd Amendment directly compare to the Ego I Roe vs. Wade which forcibly ejected/aborted the autonomy of State governments to regulate intra-State trade and commerce; the Federal government usurped this Constitutional Right/Freedom away from the States which form the Union of our Republic of States.

        The 17 Amendment employs the rhetoric of “democracy” to likewise strip the power of State legislatures to appoint all US Senators to Congress! Logic requires comparing a specific Case to similar but different other Cases. This explains how Common Law works. The Court (as opposed to the Legislature) establishes LAW through previous judicial precedent rulings. Laws imposed upon society by State Legislatures qualifies as Statute “Roman” Law, rather than Judicial “Common Law”.

        The Framers of the current US Constitution, established in 1787, their Basic Rule of Governance on the Federal level of Government lacked fundamental clarity on the authority of the US Supreme Court. Contrast British Court system with the American Court system established by the Constitution. Britain has no Written Constitution as does the United States. So who or what defines and determines the British “constitution”?

        Parliamentary law (statute law) determines both the Constitution and frames the intent of that Constitution! Parliament … completely and totally different from the mandate of Congress to determine statute laws. Statute laws famously originated themselves through Roman statute laws. The Napoleonic Codex based itself upon Roman statute law.

        The British drive on the wrong side of the road b/c Napoleon did not conquer England like he did all the rest of Europe. The British legal system bases itself upon Common Law judicial courtroom rulings. But no Court in England has the power to declare a law passed by Parliament as “Un-Constitutional”. Not so the US supreme Court. This American Court can rule statute law passed by the Legislature and agreed to by the Executive Branch of the Federal Government as “Un-Constitutional”.

        Therefore the term “Freedom” has to address these fundamental and basic distinctions between American law from British law. America did rebel against British rule. This Pre-Amble to the term “Freedom” therein opens to fundamental flaw of clarity introduced by the Framers of the 1787 US Constitution! Does the Supreme Court possess the “Freedom” of משנה תורה? The 5th Book of the Torah has this name.

        Ancient Jewish law starkly contrasted with the laws imposed by the Senate of the Roman empire. What does the Hebrew term “Mishna Torah” mean? In a nut shell, Legislative Review. The Torah established a basic priority of “Freedom” that permitted the Sanhedrin to review all statute laws imposed by the government/king.

        Mishna Torah gave the mandate to the Great Sanhedrin court to review all statute laws imposed by the King. The court could either rule those statutory law(s) Un-Constitutional, as so practiced by the American Supreme Court.

        OR

        The Great Sanhedrin court possessed the authority to rewrite the statutory law(s) imposed by the King in such a manner which determines the intent of those statutory laws. This type of “freedom” separated Jewish common law from Roman statute law just like American law stands independent of British common law! Only a handful of people on the Planet Earth can make this basic but utterly amazing distinction.

        During the Jackson Administration, the Government dismantled the 2nd National Bank\Federal Reserve, Chief Justice Marshal attempted to empower the Supreme Court with the mandate of משנה תורה/Legislative Review. Jackson reported to have declared: “The Chief Justice has made his ruling, now let me see him enforce it!” No other Chief Justice of the Supreme court ever attempted to impose the “Freedom” of Legislative Review to this very day in time.

      • ” If we give the government the right to DENY abortion, we also give them the right to REQUIRE abortion. Think about that one. ”

        Again the term “government” refers to the State level of government OR the Federal level of “government”? Political discussions have to avoid “rhetoric” like the black plague! LBJ employed the “Daisy Girl” commercial and got himself elected to office. He then employed a false flag Gulf of Tonkin imaginary attack on a US destroyer to justify the illegal invasion of South Vietnam.

        The Vietnam imperialism in no way shape or form compares to Korea. In the latter war, US troops invaded North Korea. Vietnam US troops never invaded North Vietnam. Why? US imperialism imposed dictators on the South Vietnamese “Banana Republic”. Israeli Prime Minister Begin told Jimmy Carter that Israel refused to exist as a Banana Republic like Nixon/Kissinger government imposed Pinochet upon the American Banana Republic of Chile.

        States Rights detests and abhors the vile Post WWII Pax American empire which occupies over 155 countries which house US troops stationed in those countries. America achieved this imperialism during the Truman Administration through the Marshal Plan: US economic aid in exchange for US military bases occupying all client States who accept US foreign aid. This Big Brother relationship likewise defines the current policies of the Federal Government to the States of the Republic.

        Realize that this branches way off the subject of Abortion. But my attempt to differentiate between tactical and strategic issues this example effectively highlights and emphasizes.

      • [[We live in an age where global health laws are being pushed. These people also believe that there are too many people in the world. Think about the possible consequences of these types of laws.]]

        Covid and the push to vaccinate with untested vaccines! Now post this Corporate monopoly which turned Americans into guinea pigs, a lot of health issue crops have spouted, like male sterility! Hmmmmmmmm pro Abortion vs. male sterility … a connection?

      • [Interestingly, abortion rates have been trending downward as access to birth control improves. This makes me think this whole thing is mostly being used to make the left angry during an election year.]

        The DemoRATs days dominating the Congress will totally collapse in the Mid-Term elections. The RATS might lose 40 seats in the House and the 50/50 split in the Senate too shall witness Republican domination of the Upper House.

      • [many are actually fighting for women’s right to sexual freedom, which is very handy for the men who also want women to have that right.]

        Abortion – not a right specifically included in the Bill of Rights. Right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness can easily include the specific subject of Abortion – this I grant you. But to use the term “right” without clarification opens the door to political rhetoric on the Order of Obozo’s “Change” 2008 Presidential propaganda.

      • [[Roe V Wade was a bad law and should be overturned. The young woman, Norman McCorvey, who was used as a tool of politics in that legal case actually gave birth to her baby and she is against abortion.]]

        The Supreme Court ruling federalized abortion!!! It violated/raped the Commerce Clause that mandates State government regulation of intra-State commerce! As you pointed out McCorvey gave birth to her baby. So the specific of Abortion the Supreme Court ruling did not address. Rather that ruling stripped the rights of States of the Republic to regulate commerce within the States!

      • [[High school and college aged girls get the most abortions. What can we do to PREVENT these pregnancies and why are there so many?]]

        The immorality of Pornography and hedonism dominates American society today.

      • [[Who benefits most from eliminating unwanted pregnancies? Mostly men who are let off the hook for child support and marriage.]]

        No do not agree with this sweeping generalization. Black men abandon their knocked up women. Mothers raise black families, the black male inseminates his “bitches” and leaves in search of another easy lay.

      • [[Who benefits financially from abortion? Clinics, doctors, sellers of body parts to research and other evil uses.]] Corporate monopolies.

      • The destruction of the State Right to regulate intra-State trade and commerce produced an immediate “harvest” of to Big To Fail Corporate monopolies who shipped their goods and services to all the States of the Union free and independent from State regulations.

      • [[Why is this law being overturned now? Is this just political maneuvering? Do they actually want to help babies and pregnant women? What will be the consequences of this law? Hopefully it will encourage women to find ways not to get pregnant.]]

        The Federal Government – totally bankrupt. The Federal Government must down size and drastically reduce its employee payroll. The US government employs more people than do the tax paying folk employed in private industry!!!!! The pyramid has turned upon its Head.

      • [[If 22 states outlaw all abortions, will they improve sex and health education and increase access to real birth control?]]

        Flip a coin, but most probably not. Still the Obama care offers the most expensive healthcare which gives the worst quality health care in all Industrialized countries!!! So breaking the Corporate pharmaceutical industry monopoly requires the Courts to impose Teddy Roosevelt’s “Big Stick”. Alas if the Federal government can break up monopolies … it can establish monopolies as did the Cripple Roosevelt did with the farming corporate monopolies.

      • [[WHY are birth control pills only available by prescription?! Make them an over the counter medicine if you want to prevent the need for abortions.]]

        Prescription drugs feeds the pharmaceutical industry monopoly. Breaking their strangle hold on drugs would cause a huge reduction in prices.

      • [[In summary, I don’t trust the government or the Supreme Court or state lawmakers with this issue. States must preserve freedom of religion. Churches, parents, schools, and individuals need to help prevent unwanted pregnancies. Teach children right from wrong! Adults must model the right behavior. Girls and boys need information and access to birth control. Women need to take responsibility for their choices. Men need to do the right thing towards women by not raping, abusing, or getting them pregnant outside of marriage. What about the murder of the unborn? It is a result of the neglect of all of the above.]]

        Who shapes and determines acceptable moral behaviour within a State, within the much larger Republic of States, making our Republic Union? The Jewish Talmudic court system compares to the American jury system. Both this and that lateral law as opposed to vertical law. Juries do not receive as salary from the State. But the “vertical” law Judges and prosecuting attorneys they do receive bribes/salaries from State authorities.

        Ever wonder why a Jewish Torts court, not if your not Jewish for sure, includes 3 Judges? Lateral common law courtrooms, one judge serves as the presiding Judge who hears the case. The two other Judges assume the function of Defence and Prosecuting attorneys. None of the 3 Judges receives a salary from the State, just as juries do not receive a salary from the state.

      • Roe vs. Wade.
        States Rights Washington Bites. Now get Washington out of healthcare and education. Where was Obamacare during Covid? Washington leave the 2nd Amendment alone. Close the CIA, the NSA, and the FBI while your at it, don’t forget the Secret Service and IRS, together with the Federal Reserve. Annul the 17th Amendment.

      • Thanks for the like pkadams. The pro/con hysterics over a womans womb … this reactionary paper thin irrational arguments totally misses the boat. States Rights to regulate intra-State commerce or does the Federal Government override the Commerce Clause of the Constitution?

        In similar vein reactionary emotional folk say that slavery served as the main bone of contention of the Civil War. Bunk. States Rights the issue now and Roe vs. Wade.

      • Rewrite: NOT “this reactionary paper thin irrational arguments”. Totally unclear. Rather: the reactionary paper thin irrational arguments expressed through the responses …. totally misses the boat etc etc etc.

  2. Abortion rates have started increasing again, and we are already in demographic decline. Birth control is not the answer to this. It is simply another anti-life philosophy. Humans should want to reproduce, no matter whether they are religious or not. What has happened to our biological instincts?

    • I agree, and I wonder why abortions are increasing, but I’d rather people who are anti-life not get pregnant than have abortions . I don’t think this ruling means that things are getting better as far as the moral condition of our world and that makes big government much more dangerous.

      • I think they’ve increased due to some deregulating of the abortion pill. Abortion by mail order. It’s simply a lot easier than going to a clinic and scheduling an appointment. Of course, allowing states to make their own laws doesn’t change the moral conscience of the nation, but it allows those states that don’t want that evil to outlaw it. It takes power away from the Supreme Court that it should never have had in the first place. Now, I’m afraid of God’s judgement on my state, which will become an abortion sanctuary. But Roe V Wade was such a scourge that it’s still better that it’s overturned. Wars are fought one battle at a time.

      • Impossible to educate idiots. Look at the negative population growth rates in Europe. Europe becoming Muslim with each passing year.

    • This abortion debate, totally a knee jerk reaction. You cannot see the forest through the trees. The Roe vs. Wade Supreme Court ruling … a totally unprecedented over extension of the Federal government to regulate intra-state trade within all the States of the Republic. A direct violation of the Commerce Clause of the US Constitution!!!

      In similar fashion, neither the Declaration of Independence nor the Constitution [Both the Articles of Confederation or the current Constitution passed by 3/4ths of the States in 1787.], ever once mentions the word “democracy”. The post Civil War, specifically the 17th Amendment and expanding the voter franchise like giving the vote to women etc these post Civil War concepts focus upon democracy rather than States Rights of the Republic.

      Shallow reactionary box thinkers blow their horns over tactical rather than strategic issues. Abortion, a tactical arguments which arouses the emotional mind of the sheeple. Slavery another tactical argument which arouses the emotional mind of the sheeple. The strategic argument: Can the Federal government regulate trade between States and the territories? The Commerce Clause has a strict conservative reading that limits the authority of the Federal government to regulating inter-State commerce. The territories, like California for example, did not join the Union till 1850. Oregon did not become a State of the Union till 1859.

      Before these territories became States within the Union, did the Federal Government restrict and regulate trade between States and Territories. The territory of Puerto Rico today compares to California and Oregon before they became States in the Union. The Southern States argued that the Commerce Clause of the US Constitution did not empower the Federal government to regulate trade between States and territories. The Northern States read the Commerce Clause of the US Constitution as empowering Washington to regulate State trade with territories just as Washington regulates trade with foreign countries.

  3. “If we give the government the right to DENY abortion, we also give them the right to REQUIRE abortion.”
    And this is true at the state and local level as it is at the federal level. My sympathies and ideas align with yours that government has no business regulating the personal decisions of women and their babies or bodies either way. Christ’s followers need to be the ones stepping into the gap to bring peace and forgiveness, sowing the love of God, not hatred for those with whom we disagree. Thanx for these wise guidelines.
    ❤️&🙏, c.a.

      • Annul the 17th Amendment. Get Big Brother Washington out of Health care, Education, and all other intra-State regulatory authority.

  4. I appreciate your thoughtful post on a very complex issue. You brought up many things I haven’t thought about before. I feel strongly about the subject after marrying a man who was born to a 17-year-old single mom. In today’s world, it’s doubtful he’d be here or our children. So, I have an emotional point of view. You highlighted a lot of nuances.

  5. Yayy, I love it when people try to look at the complexity of issues instead of just reading an emotionally charged script somebody else handed them. If we take all politics and emotion out of this issue (which of course we can’t really ever seem to do,) abortion should never have become a federal issue. It was unconstitutional to try to make it the law of the land. So the ruling is a good one from the perspective of Constitutional law.

    That said, I’m not celebrating. Sending it back to the states does nothing to promote a culture of life and does nothing to heal the brokenness in our country.

      • Better for the States to regulate health care than Washington. Small government much more accountable than Big Brother.

  6. Oddly, someone stopped following me because I said the danger of socialized medicine is the theory that it’s what’s good for the collective not the individual.

  7. I agree with a lot of what you’ve said, Paula. People should be able to make decisions regarding their own bodies. But with a pregnancy, that gets complicated, at least if one truly “follows the science.” The fetus has a unique DNA different from the mother’s, so (s)he is not PART of the mother’s body, just located IN it.

  8. I agree . But what do you think about the other stuff I wrote , about letting the (mostly male) government have this much power ? I’m going to add a podcast I just made that has more information.

      • I think that will reveal just how divided people are , but it also means the church needs to get it right . We need to support women so they can 1)not become pregnant unless they want to , and 2) not think that abortion is their best option. Maybe that’s God’s plan ?

    • The Founding Fathers established State autonomy as the defining character of our Republic. I support the wisdom of the Founding Fathers.

  9. When I was a college student, in the years before Roe vs. Wade, an unmarried friend becoming pregnant was always a special hell. She would have to make a decision to face social sanctions or abort. Those who chose to abort would often have to ask friends for donations, then follow a perilous trail of tips to find an abortionist. She would travel to some unknown place, be gone for several days, and leave friends wondering about her well-being. When she returned, she would not be the same person who had gone away. There will always be abortions. It is far better to keep it legal and in the light of day. I would never want to plunge anyone into that dark time when counseling and legal abortions were not available.

  10. Abortion is an issue to fire up the right and raise money. For many years this was a non-issue.
    I can’t imagine the government ever demanding abortions. It’s possible, but we are so far in the opposite direction. This county has some bad history with sterilizations of people deemed “un-fit” to procreate. Then there is eugenics and it just get’s messier from there. I think forced abortion is a reach.
    I agree that the government has no place in these decisions and that we are on a slippery slope now. At what right will Justice Thomas stop? Is it just everyone else’s rights or will he take down a right that he enjoys?
    Thankfully, cases need to be served up to the court, they cannot go out looking for cases to hear.

    • Thanks. But do you agree that this also applies in the case of medical treatment such as vaccines ? Remember that if vaccines work, the vaccinated have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated.

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